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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_BRF_Girls_Gone_Wild.html

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 · Last updated 8:58 p.m. PT

Man sentenced in 'Girls Gone Wild' attack

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

LOS ANGELES -- A man was sentenced Tuesday to nearly 11 years in prison after pleading guilty to robbing "Girls Gone Wild" creator Joe Francis and forcing him at gunpoint to pose for a demeaning videotape as part of an extortion attempt.

Darnell Riley, 28, was sentenced after he pleaded guilty to robbery and attempted extortion as part of a deal with prosecutors who agreed to drop burglary, carjacking and kidnapping for ransom charges.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Kellogg sentenced him to 10 years and 8 months in state prison.

Francis testified during a preliminary hearing in December that Riley broke into his home Jan. 22, 2004, pulled a gun and bound and gagged him.

He said Riley forced him to partially disrobe and make sexually humiliating comments about himself. Francis also testified that Riley threatened to distribute the video unless Francis paid him $300,000 to $500,000.

Police learned of the alleged crime from socialite Paris Hilton, Francis' former girlfriend. Hilton said she heard the incident discussed on the party circuit.

Is that the guy we discussed at the old boards? The one who lives off making drunken girls even more drunk and making them pose naked for his pseudo documentary pornos at party scenes?

Yep! Same guy.

dare i ask?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6144286.html

I'd like to know deatails of the game, i.e. what they are referring to, before I come to any conclusion.
I'm not with the "pc games are to blame for youth criminality" - thing. That doesn't mean there is nothing like a limit. I apply some standards to films. I don't want to see humiliating stuff where plain normal girls are made drunk and shown around, I don't want to see rape as a cool punchline. Why shouldn't I apply the same standards to games?
But as said, I'd like to get some context from someone who's played the game.

There are ratings on video games. These show what parents can expect in the games. It is their responsibility to make sure that they purchase only such games as they feel their children are ready for, not the game company's.

there's a version 2.0 out now... it's replaced the previous san andreas on the Take 2 store. i assume it's the same game, with the same bugs, but just without any hot coffee.

[quote:e34313d93e="Victimov8"](snip)
When will these people take some responsibilty for their own actions?
There are no authority figures in this country (I cannot comment elsewhere), parents cannot chastise their own children, teachers and the police likewise.

Sorry I am ranting now, :evil: I think I'll stop at this point... :!:[/quote:e34313d93e]

What do you mean by that, that they shouldn't, or that it's regrettable that they can't?

[quote:76a7eb4ebe]I find it ridiculous that they (parents/teachers/'authority figures') can not legally do anything.
I am not suggesting that parents etc should 'beat' children, but a slap on the backside taught me quite a few lessons. [/quote:76a7eb4ebe]

I'm relieved to read that, although I remember you as too smart for such a standpont any way. I know far too many people who have experienced violence from their parents, and it neither held up the parent's natural authority, nor did it help those -by themselves great- people on their way.

I got very, very few slaps, but I'm not sure it was them who taught me anything. The [i:76a7eb4ebe]main [/i:76a7eb4ebe]things of my life I learnt from my parents where the things they lived. They placed their morals above their career, and their children above their comfort. I actually have friends (and boy, so did they) who thought them stupid because of that. But that way, they raised a few people who respect them, and do the same for [i:76a7eb4ebe]their [/i:76a7eb4ebe]children. [i:76a7eb4ebe]That's[/i:76a7eb4ebe] how they became authorities to us - without being authocratic.

[quote:76a7eb4ebe]
If a juvenile breaks the law, they walk away laughing. There is no incentive to 'behave' I could be beaten to death by a group of young people, but if I retaliate in any way, I could be locked away.[/quote:76a7eb4ebe]

I see the problem the law has with adolescents who commit violent crimes, and can't being punished according to what we feel a murder, rape or abuse should be punished like, because the law protects those children. I can't offer any solution for such extreme cases, or think of one. I don't draw any conclusions for my way of rising a kid either. I think we may see the source of such cases in different corners.

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I was scared, as a kid, of what would happen if I did something wrong. (Actually, of being found out, but these psychic parents... ) Scared is possibly too strong a word, but it will do until I can think of a better one.[/quote:76a7eb4ebe]

Well, so was I - strangely (?), seeing as my parents never made use of their right to chastise me. Most children still do, I'd say. Looking back to my and my friend's -very different- childhoods, as well as seeing my own child and those of my friends and siblings, there seems to be an inbuilt desire in every child to gain the approval and love of their parents - at least in the important few first decade. It didn't even matter, in that phase, wether those parents were loving, brutal, or constantly switching between both. That, of course, changes at some point in life.

And if the parents don't react indifferently to that love and desire to be loved, that's something to build on - not with fear of punishment, but with approval for doing well, and simply cooperating [i:76a7eb4ebe]with each other[/i:76a7eb4ebe] (me with the child, too). Sounds wishy-washy in theory, but can bring you very far in reality, even with a kid not yet capable of reasonable thinking and in the middle of the infamous terrible twos.

Sorry for the pathos, I'm, errr.... only two years in this job, but... I hope I'm capable of earning my daughter's respect not through fear of any form of punishment, but teach her respect and sympathy by giving it to her. I'm still the one making the rules, because [i:76a7eb4ebe]I[/i:76a7eb4ebe] am the grown up in this relationship. But they have to make sense, and I try to explain my reasons to her. I take into account that it's not just about me, and I myself have to keep these rules, too.

If I want her to eat healthy stuff, I have to eat healthy stuff. If I want her to say "Thanks" and "Please", I have to do so, too - and i do say thanks whenever she hands me something, and so does she, without ever having been actually told she had to. People gave me odd looks because "Thanks" was one of her first words, before saying "mama", and some thought I must have drilled that poor baby.

I don't want my daughter to become a TV kid, so I rarely watch TV as long as she's awake, and we make better use of our time togeter. Banal examples, but so many parents who don't live like that and wonder why telling alone doesn't work. Children see very early and in detail when there are logical gaps between the things their authority figures tell them, and the reality they live.

Real authorities are role models.

Or on a wider scale: How do you teach your children solidarity, and care for those weaker than them, if that makes you yourself an idiot in job life? How do you teach them to leave their seat in the bus to the old lady, when none of the grown ups present would ever dream of doing so? How do you teach them to be loyal to their friends and family, if daddy brings home only friends who help his career, and whom he disses as soon as they're gone?

By the way, adolescents are a popluar scapegoat too.
[i:76a7eb4ebe]Most[/i:76a7eb4ebe] parents I know got the children they deserved, some got better, some got worse.
Back in the ultra hot summer in 2003, when I was hugely pregnant - and i mean hugely, I was all the time waiting for Greenpeace to drag me back into the sea- I had really problems standing for long, and I think that was visible. It happened to me about a douzen times that teenies got up, without me having had to ask them to, to leave me their seat - they were often beaming at me, both boys and girls. The grown ups often looked away when I stood there, sweat on my brow and drenched after three minutes, while everyone else looked quite relaxed. Once, a very sportive looking middle aged guy and I were the only ones standing in the bus, me almost swaying, but feeling stupid about playing the helpless pregnant lady. When one man got out, he took advantage and sprinted to get the seat before I could even start moving. I only thought: [i:76a7eb4ebe]Job experience. That must make the difference: Gain your place and hold it at every cost. Other people's problems are other people's problems.[/i:76a7eb4ebe]

What do you expect the pupils of such teachers to display?

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The power has been taken away from authority figures though, is what I was trying to say, they are no longer authority figures, unless you already think of them in that way.
What is a witch without respect? A daft old biddy who likes cats, and looks at you in a funny way (until she stabs you with a hatpin anyway!) [/quote:76a7eb4ebe]

In many cases, that was rightfully so. Did everything go downhill since then? It's a popular theory, but... look back, honestly; I still know the fathers -not talking about mine here- who were that kind of authority figures. Obedience was everything to them. And they took every care they obtained it. Even new borns were tought that they had to follow the rules. They still tell this generation's mothers: [i:76a7eb4ebe]"If you pick her up everytime she's crying, she'll never learn that she can't always have her will! Let her cry a few nights, and then she'll leave you alone! And don't carry her in your arm all the time, she's going to expect to be held all the time!" [/i:76a7eb4ebe]

Respect! Love comes second, and sometimes not at all, because working with love is really exhausting sometimes, while living in a household where everyone obeys can be very comfortable.

Sorry for a little sarcasm, but now go figure out why that old archetype of pater familias has such a bad name in Germany...

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Even with suitable and empowered authority figures though, there is an unwillingness to take responsibility for the actions of society.
Watching films made that person kill someone. Listening to this music made this person kill themself.

Watching Superman doesn't make most people think that if they wear their underpants on the outside they can fly, and unaided by drugs or mental imbalance (Underpants on the head) most people respect that the earth sucks*, and they don't leap off tall buildings.

Similarly, listening to music does not make someone go out and kill.
Playing video games does not make you more likely to break laws, sometimes they can be therapeutic, and stop that kind of thing. [/quote:76a7eb4ebe]


I agree, that's idiotic and highly laughable.
A boy runs amoc in his high school? He was plaing Counterstrike? Clear case!
That's very comfortable for people who otherwise might have to ask themselves what actually has gone wrong here. It's also suggesting that there is an easy way of preventing such things - forbid the game, and it will never happen again! I am sure those people sleep better at night than I do, if only because their world is much simpler.