Calling Great White Hunters

Discussion in 'BOARDANIA' started by Buzzfloyd, Dec 29, 2007.

  1. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    From MSN's Year in Quotes article:

    “A teddy bear in your culture is different from a teddy bear in our culture. In our culture a teddy bear is a wild and dangerous animal. It's not something to be cuddled by children before they sleep. This is important to remember.” The Sudanese ambassador to London, after British teacher Gillian Gibbons was arrested in Sudan for insulting Islam by allowing her class of seven-year-olds to name a teddy bear Mohammed.

    The Sudan must be a strange place to live.
  2. Roman_K New Member

    Fear the mighty teddy bear, for its fluffy claws and thread teeth will tear you apart! Run as you hear its silent roar!

    You know, I think that fearing a regime that does things reminscent of its brutal theocratic past (not that the present is much of an improvement) is a better idea. Much better.
  3. Maljonic Administrator

    I think it's all part of a cunning plot to make some people look very silly.
  4. Marcia Executive Onion

  5. Katcal I Aten't French !

    Yikes. Yep, using a synthetic voice that old really is scary.
  6. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    A teddy bear killed my father, you insensitive bastards!
  7. Stercus Stercus New Member

    I bet he'd been calling it names. :tongue:
  8. TamyraMcG Active Member

    They must really think the rest of the world is stupid, and I find that an insult to my culture.
  9. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    Sounds more like a language error and cultural misunderstanding to me, Tamyra.
  10. TamyraMcG Active Member

    This isn't the only case I've heard of where an Islamic govenment has twisted cultural beliefs to suit their agenda. The ban on the Bible in Saudi Arabia and other countries comes to mind. The whole idea that a name is sacred reeks of the same kind of idolatry that that religion purports to be against.
  11. Marcia Executive Onion

    Observant Jews aren't allowed to use the word "God" in everyday writing and conversation. I was taught that it was properly written out as "G-d". And in spoken language, you use substitute words like "Hashem" (translation = "the name").

    It comes from the third commandment, to not take God's name in vain, the idea being that saying the word God in everyday conversation trivialises the importance of what the word represents.

    Observant Jews are also not allowed to take oaths in the name of God, for the same reason.

    I assume that the Muslim rule has a similar justification.
  12. Roman_K New Member

    Marcia, you kind of made Tamyra's point here. Hashem is used as a mark of respect to the Almighty, whereas here we we had an extreme reaction when a name that is given to people (and is named after a person, no matter how perfect he was to the people who follow his teachings), was given to a teddy bear by children. Now, had Jews glorified the name Moses, then it would have been an apt comparison.
  13. IgorMina New Member

    Arrested for insulting Islam? How irresponsible! She sets a fierce Teddy bear, a 'wild and dangerous' animal on a classroom full of kids, and the only complaint is that she let them call it Mohammed?
    I do not believe these people.

    I wonder what would happen if I decided to call a teddy bear Jesus? Probably not much (apart from being eaten by it that is :p ).
  14. Maljonic Administrator

    Well I still think it's a conspiracy cooked up to cause arguments and discussions like these, only with more influential people and the masses* as a whole.

    *as in the populace, not the Catholic ceremony.
  15. Roman_K New Member

    *shrug* Sudan used to be a very brutal theocracy until quite recently, the kind that declared Holy War against its Christian populace and forcibly converted them. Every now and then, a bone is still thrown to the old cleric elites (who were the ones leading the mob screaming to execute Gillian Gibbons).

    The mob is placated, and the infidel British school was even closed until further notice. The former government (which gave Bin Laden a base in Sudan back in its day) would have executed the poor woman, most likely.
  16. Marcia Executive Onion

    Roman, I was responding to this statement.

    The problem is not the idea of the name being sacred, it's the punishment applied and the lack of understanding of mitigating circumstances.

    The situation could have gone like this:

    Concerned Parent: Excuse me, Ma'am. My son has told me that the class has a teddy bear called Muhammad. Did you know that calling a teddy bear Muhammed goes against Islam?

    Teacher: No I didn't. I'm sorry if I offended you. I'll speak to the children tomorrow and ask them change the teddy's name to something else.

    Concerned Parent: That's all right. You didn't know any better.

    Teacher: Thanks. Feel free to call me whenever you want to talk about your son.

    It doesn't matter if the "sacred" name is the name of God, Moses, Muhammed or Mr. Ed. If someone's religious beliefs say that using it in a certain way is offensive, then that's what their beliefs say. You can't argue about whether someone's religious beliefs are right are wrong, or whether or not they make sense, because religion, by definition, is something that comes from faith, not from reason.

    The issue is how you deal with people whose religious beliefs are different from your own.

    I agree with Maljonic; by getting into a discussion about whether or not naming a teddy bear Muhammad violates Islam or not, and how some people interpret Islam, you are just falling into a trap.
  17. Katcal I Aten't French !

    Well it could have, but that really wouldn't have been any fun at all now, would it ?
  18. Stercus Stercus New Member

    I'm not falling into their trap, I'm staying out of this thread. Ooops.:D
  19. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    This isn't the only case I've heard of where any government has twisted cultural beliefs to suit their agenda. Governments have been doing that since time immemorial: a legal term which, technically, means 'before the Magna Carta' - before which Richard the Lionheart and other Christian leaders were happily twisting cultural beliefs to suit their political agenda in waging war against Islam.

    I don't think Islam is worse than any other religion or idealism. But I do think it's funny when someone suggests a teddy bear is a wild animal. I'll never look at Panda and Big Ted the same way again.
  20. spiky Bar Wench

    Get your guns ready people...

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  21. Saccharissa Stitcher

    Personally, I blame it on the Internet. That is, if they had internet in Sudan, they would focus on more important things, like the YouTube video of the emo kid shouting "Leave Britney Alone" instead of what a bunch of seven-year-olds decide to name a freakin'teddy bear.

    Ang correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Sudan too hot for bears?
  22. Pepster New Member

    I reckon that it is just government administrators being government administrators. Useless trivial time consuming political correctness to please the few with loud voices.

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