Private prisons

Discussion in 'BOARDANIA' started by Roman_K, Jun 22, 2006.

  1. Roman_K New Member

    So, the Israeli goverment decided to open a privately-run prison. At first I thought this would be a very bad idea, but after thinking it over I conceded that it does have a few advantages here and there. On the one hand, goverments suck at management, and the private sector doesn't. On the other hand, giving responsibility of crime punishment to the private sector is not a good idea in my opinion.

    Opinions?
  2. Bradthewonderllama New Member

    You would have to have a LOT of government oversight.
  3. Saccharissa Stitcher

  4. Dane New Member

    I'm guessing that a private prison would draw its funds from the government, which (I would guess) would only give as much to a private as they would to a public prison. So I can't see it makeing any differnece other than the prisoners would be under less (or potentially more) supervision and whatnot.
  5. spiky Bar Wench

    Is this like a fully private prison or just a contracted privately run prison. In Australia we have the latter, the government owns the facilities but contracts the operations out to the private sector. By and large it works OK. but there are a few dodgy cases of badly run private prisons.
  6. Maljonic Administrator

    We have some prison related areas privately run in the UK, such as transporting prisoners from one prison to another and from court to prison. There are also some privately managed prisons in the UK, which first came about in the 1990s I think.

    It was a bit controversial at the time, the media jumping on any prisoner escape stories and trying to point out how rubbish the privately run establishment were. But, like all media stuff, it fizzled out before long.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/uk/2001/prison_ppp/

    [quote:6948863cf2="above link"]Whatever the critics may think, the role of the private sector in the criminal justice system is now substantial, and set to expand.

    Britain now has ten prisons run by private companies. Between them they house around six thousand offenders, or about eight per cent of the prison population.

    Eight of these prisons have been built under the Private Finance Initiative. The buildings are designed and constructed by commercial groups, and in effect are leased back to the Prison Service over a period of 25 years.

    Critics say that companies should not make a profit from housing prisoners. But many of the prviate prisons are among the best-run in the system, according to reports from the chief inspector of prisons.[/quote:6948863cf2]
  7. Roman_K New Member

    [quote:de961563a0="Saccharissa"]Maybe they are trying to ease the burden on public prisons[/quote:de961563a0]

    They closed the article for public view. :(

    I loved that article. Bastards. It should be on www.haaretz.com somewhere too, but I can't find it. Meh.
  8. Maljonic Administrator

    You mean this? :)

    [quote:d75f6aa8ca="MARK MACKINNON"]
    NABLUS, WEST BANK -- Mohammed Kharaz wanted to get away. He longed to escape the stretches of boredom broken by intense eruptions of violence that are a teenager's life in this strife-ridden city. So, for a break, he got himself thrown into an Israeli jail.

    The idea wasn't even his, the 17-year-old confesses. He first heard it from a kid who sat beside him in class: If you get yourself arrested by the Israeli army, they send you to a prison with digital television, interesting books and even a decent soccer pitch. In short, everything you don't find in Nablus, a city cut off from the rest of the West Bank by a series of Israeli military checkpoints.

    To Mohammed, it sounded like a dream vacation. So on Feb. 25, he tucked a kitchen knife under his shirt and headed toward the concrete barriers and metal turnstiles that block the road south to Ramallah.

    It played out just as his friend described. When he got to the front of the long, slow-moving line of Palestinians seeking to leave Nablus, an Israeli soldier told him to lift up his shirt. With a sniper's rifle pointed at his chest, Mohammed pulled out the knife.

    "Two soldiers jumped on top of me and started beating me up, but I didn't care," Mohammed recalled. "Getting arrested was like a fashion trend. It was the thing to do."

    It's the latest peculiarity in a region already full of contradictions: Palestinian youths, who speak openly of their hatred for Israel, willingly putting themselves into Israeli custody because life in jail is seen as being better than life at home. Call it teen angst gone awry in a conflict zone.

    "It's a real phenomenon," said Jacob Dallal, a spokesman for the Israeli army. He said soldiers had seen dozens of cases like Mohammed's, coming from both Nablus and nearby Jenin. "It's sort of a backhanded compliment to the [Israeli army] and the prison service. It passes from word of mouth that the conditions are not so bad in Israeli jails."

    The first few nights after his arrest -- he was held with five others in a tiny cell just outside the Hawara checkpoint where he had been arrested -- were a gruelling disappointment for Mohammed. But 12 days later, he got the break he was hoping for: a transfer to Ofer prison, an Israeli jail for Palestinian prisoners just outside Ramallah.

    Conditions in Ofer, the site of large-scale prisoners' riots late last year, have come under attack from human-rights groups alleging the torture and mistreatment of detainees. But Mohammed, as his classmates had promised him, had a different experience.

    Prison life was a welcome break from the numbing routine of days sitting in school, evenings helping his father at the family's tailoring business and nights broken by gunfire. It was also a respite from his cramped family home where six people live in two small rooms, and from his father's insistence that the Western-dressed teenager abide by a strict interpretation of Islam.

    "Ofer was like paradise. You could go to the toilet whenever you wanted, and we had a good time playing football and table tennis in the big courtyard. I started reading good books in there," he said, his hair short and gelled, and a hint of future stubble ringing his thin face. With a shy glance at his father, he added, "And I could stay up as late as I wanted."

    Mohammed was pleased to get a seven-month sentence. He was crestfallen when his father, Qasim, paid a $250 bond to get him released early. "I was disappointed. My classmate who was sitting next to me went to jail two days before me and he's still there," he said jealously, suffering his father's glare. "In prison, there's digital television. You can watch everything. Out here, there's nothing."

    While the stern Mr. Kharaz isn't impressed with his son's antics, he understands the motivation. "When a person becomes a young man, he starts looking for entertainment, and there are no good sports centres around here. All the sports fields in Nablus are all made of asphalt."

    Other youths who have gotten arrested at the Hawara checkpoint did so in hopes of helping their families out of increasingly dire financial situations. Until a cut in Western aid forced the Palestinian Authority into effective insolvency earlier this year, the government paid a monthly stipend of about $200 to Palestinians held in Israeli jails.

    Samira Tabbouq's son Mahmoud just celebrated his 18th birthday inside Ofer. Mahmoud has gotten himself jailed twice in the past two years in hopes of getting money for his family, and his mother glows with pride describing her son's crafty efforts to get the Israelis to arrest him.

    Last year, Ms. Tabbouq said her son got arrested at Hawara checkpoint while carrying a smoke bomb he had made from sugar and coal. When the Israelis released him from jail 2½ weeks later, he began plotting to get sent back.

    The teenaged Mahmoud became the sole breadwinner for the family of eight when his father, a construction worker, was injured in a workplace accident five years ago.

    At first, Mahmoud struggled to find after-school work in this economically depressed town that has been largely isolated from the outside world since Israel built the checkpoints during the height of the recent Palestinian intifada.

    "His father pressured him to bring home money, to be a man, to help us with our poverty," Ms. Tabbouq said. "He would come home with nothing and his father would beat him."

    On Feb. 4 of this year, he headed toward Hawara with a knife under his shirt and, ever since, has been in jail awaiting trial. Even though the Palestinian Authority's cash crunch means he's not helping his family financially, his mother, who visits him regularly, says he's as happy as he's been for a long time, reading books and dreaming of getting married and moving to Syria.

    "My son is in jail because he has a big brain and is very intelligent. He thought about it a long time and realized the only way out of his economic and mental crisis was in prison," Ms. Tabbouq said.

    Ironically, another reason Mahmoud wanted to go back to jail was to concentrate on his studies. His 17-year-old sister, Yusra, said that her brother, who was good in school, had spoken longingly of prison ever since he was released the first time.

    "He couldn't stand the guys from the refugee camps who were always carrying weapons. He felt like he was suffocating. He told me, 'I can't achieve in school with this chaotic environment around me.' " Her brother is now applying to take his high-school exams from behind bars, Yusra added.

    Mr. Kharaz, Mohammed's father, said that while he hoped his son wouldn't try to get jailed again, it was possible as long as life in Nablus continued to worsen.

    "If the situation continues the way it is, everybody will be doing it," he said. "Young and old."[/quote:d75f6aa8ca]
  9. Roman_K New Member

    Thanks Mal. :)

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