Garners thread on O.J. and his new book gave me the idea. "How would you murder someone and leave no evidence that you murdered them behind".
aahh but it is. i saw this on an episode of csi. u die once the air reaches the hear and they can detect it by putting the hear under water and piercing each chamber of the heart to see if any bubbles escape. btw OmKranti i love that song and those lines. best part of the album!
So far as I can tell, the best way to get away with murder is to first get rid of any snooping old people
Damn! These TV programs are making it harder all the time. I would use one of the old fashioned poisons which come from plants. Rhubarb leaf mixed in with some cabbage for a salad should do it. After the convulsions of a pretty realistic heart attack, no problem. The body would have digested the toxins long before any medical examination and unless it was being specifically tested for (within 48 hours), no sign of the poison during routine tests. Don't mention it to my ex-wife's parents. :shock:
You're approaching this all wrong, what you want to do is get yourself a reputation as an excellent sleuth. After you've dazzled a few people with your insight to a couple of grisly and complex murders and got the perps put away you can travel the world murdering who you please and constructing elaborate explanations of how some other poor sod did it and no one will ever suspect, or indeed think it odd that people are dropping around you like flies.
I'm not sure it matters so much how you murder someone, if you want to get away with it the 'where and 'when' is much more important - the former more so.
Insulin is a good way to kill someone, the body breaks it down even after death. Or expose the victim to something he or she is allergic to. Though the best way is to kill someone you have no motive to kill, even harder for anyone to tie you to the deed.
Hm. I always thought I'd carve a pompous sword out of an ice block, and kill someone randomly picked. No weapon, no motif - that would make it hard to convict me, in case I don't film myself. Knowing me, I'd probably do just that, or accidentally run into some hidden camera plot. I know so many people killing each other subconsciously without ever doing something convictable. All those old couples where he has diabetes, and she keeps cooking as if the war just ended and they hardly escaped starvation just last week. Or mom filling the flat with mists of cigar smoke although her pest of a daughter who refuses to move out at 19 has asthma. And so on... I will never kill someone on purpose - I know I'm too scatterbrained, I'd let it slip in the next best small talk or simply forget where I put the evidence I wanted to get rid of... I can be glad if I don't kill myeself one day. Example: We were spending six hours in the car today. My daughter gave me a toy to repair, and one important little bit of it fell out of my hands und slipped under the hand brake. I was about to pull it at 120kmh to reach that bit of toy, when I realized what I was about to do. My husband just gave me a slightly dispraising look from the side and just said: "Nnnnnnooooo. Don't. Please."
[quote:3aa2c48518="OmKranti"]A syringe of air in the neck. Instant. Clean. Untraceable.[/quote:3aa2c48518] Apart from the wound in the neck. They could still trace you using dna on the syringe if it was found, or through fingerprints, or fibre evidence, or all the other things police can do these days.
I would imagine any method whereby it was possible for them to have died that way by accident. For example, the classic fall from the top of the stairs. Or slow poison through exposure to harmful plants in the garden or household chemicals or what have you. It's not how you kill them, but whether or not it looks like a crime. An obvious cause of death seems to me a far better alibi than an invisible cause of death. You want the coroner to stop looking.
[quote:fa744cb9c4="warning_i_have_a_blanket"]aahh but it is. i saw this on an episode of csi. u die once the air reaches the hear and they can detect it by putting the hear under water and piercing each chamber of the heart to see if any bubbles escape. btw OmKranti i love that song and those lines. best part of the album![/quote:fa744cb9c4] I competely agree, with both statements. What about an icicle in the temple? I've heard thats pretty wuick and clean. I'd do a push-the-car-off-the-cliff-with-the-guy-straped-inside jobby.
I'd go for: 1. Kidnap with a stolen car 2. Strangle or clubbing the victim to death. 3. Big jar of sulfuric acid to get rid of the body, murder weapon (if any) and all the clothes worn during the kidnap. 4. Burn the car. As a bathtub of sulfuric acid isn't easily disposed of, and a burning car draws attention, it would have to take place deep in the woods. Then again, I don't think I could ever plan and execute a murder. I can't say what I'd do in the heat of a struggle, I think almost anyone can be driven to killing someone in self defence or to protect one's family, but that power to kill would come from desperate fear. A planned murder wouldn't be based on the same sort of desperate fear, and I'd like to think my pacifist beliefs would be stronger than any reason I might have to kill someone in cold blood.
I remember a Tom Clancy novel where they used a disguised syringe to inject potassium chloride (KCL). I think you get about 10s then all the symptoms of a heart attack. KCl occurs naturally in the body but too much causes the heart to stop. Unless you have cause to suspect foul play, a coroner's unlikely to go looking for it or for syringe marks. I think Dick Francis used it as well, though in his case it was used to kill horses.
Vetinari's poisioned candles. Too bad people don't really use candles any more. I'd have to say the best bet is some kind of toxin though. Anything that requires a weapon is going to lead to evidence. Darn evidence.
[quote:6edcc34c40="RebelwithoutaPause"]Id say based on the posts so far...Garner should make sure to stay on the good side of his wife.[/quote:6edcc34c40] Don't know what you mean...
I liked the Roald Dahl's method of clubbing someone to death with a frozen mutton leg, then boiling the said leg and innocently feeding it to the detectives. But since that idea is already taken, I'll wait until the person dies of old age. Then I'm off scot-free!
[quote:d079259298="Electric_Man"][quote:d079259298="Orrdos"]So far as I can tell, the best way to get away with murder is to first get rid of any snooping old people[/quote:d079259298] and any meddling kids with a dog.[/quote:d079259298] [quote:d079259298="Maljonic"]I'm not sure it matters so much how you murder someone, if you want to get away with it the 'where and 'when' is much more important - the former more so.[/quote:d079259298] [quote:d079259298="Buzzfloyd"]I would imagine any method whereby it was possible for them to have died that way by accident. For example, the classic fall from the top of the stairs. Or slow poison through exposure to harmful plants in the garden or household chemicals or what have you. It's not how you kill them, but whether or not it looks like a crime. An obvious cause of death seems to me a far better alibi than an invisible cause of death. You want the coroner to stop looking.[/quote:d079259298] Both of these points are very true. The most crucial point however is "not to tell anyone that you did it". That is the stumbling point many murderers fall at. [quote:d079259298="KaptenKaries"]I'd go for: 1. Kidnap with a stolen car 2. Strangle or clubbing the victim to death. 3. Big jar of sulfuric acid to get rid of the body, murder weapon (if any) and all the clothes worn during the kidnap. 4. Burn the car. As a bathtub of sulfuric acid isn't easily disposed of, and a burning car draws attention, it would have to take place deep in the woods.[/quote:d079259298] Sulfuric acid is not good at dissolving bones. Use Nitric only gold fillings will be left. Honourable mention: Hsing and OmKranti gave the classic correct answer for the thought problem (the icicle).
I think for KaptenKaries's method it would be far more efficient and effective if you just remove steps 2 and 3, assuming the kidnapee is locked in the car and unable to escape.
[quote:e6e6c5296b="jarmara"]You're approaching this all wrong, what you want to do is get yourself a reputation as an excellent sleuth. After you've dazzled a few people with your insight to a couple of grisly and complex murders and got the perps put away you can travel the world murdering who you please and constructing elaborate explanations of how some other poor sod did it and no one will ever suspect, or indeed think it odd that people are dropping around you like flies.[/quote:e6e6c5296b] I don't think the method would matter much. If you were to kill a random stranger somewhere random and hide the body well, you're very difficult to trace. You'd need to ensure that you're not seen, of course, but the best way of getting away with it would be to make sure that the police don't connect you to the incident in the first place, I'd think. Another option that has always intrigued me would be this: You get yourself in a room with your intended victim and a co-conspirator. One of you stabs or shoots (though preferably something that cannot be tied directly to either) the victim. You then both testify that the other did it. Unless you've left evidence of a conspiracy, you can't both be charged with the crime and, as long as there is no way of telling which one of you did it, the police can't arrest just one of you either. I've never really asked anyone knowledgeable about legal matters if it would really work, though.
[quote:763906d3ad="Cynical_Youth"]Another option that has always intrigued me would be this: You get yourself in a room with your intended victim and a co-conspirator. One of you stabs or shoots (though preferably something that cannot be tied directly to either) the victim. You then both testify that the other did it. Unless you've left evidence of a conspiracy, you can't both be charged with the crime and, as long as there is no way of telling which one of you did it, the police can't arrest just one of you either. I've never really asked anyone knowledgeable about legal matters if it would really work, though.[/quote:763906d3ad] This has been done, successfully, in Sweden.
I think I'd just murder them any old how then use the cultural defence. "According to my religious beliefs, the murder of this person was the will of my god." It's been used effectively in gang rape and child sex abuse cases here. Probably wouldn't work with me being female and all, though. And not a persecuted minority.
Not that this subject is something I have put a lot of thought into....But this 'would be' my plan, if ever I decided I could get over the moral objection to taking a life. (These things would all be collected over a matter of years to avoid dection) 1. Get my hands on a corpse; slice off the skin from the mid arms down. (I have been told that after a few days of decomposing the skin slides right off) keeping the skin as whole as possible. (No chance of my finger prints being on anything related to the crime scene) 2. Buy shoes that are one or two sizes too big or too small. (again to throw off any evidence left behind.) 3. Buy a hazard suite or something similar to keep hair and other DNA telling particles away from crime scene. 4. Don suite, wrong sized shoes, rubber gloves, then corpse skin and stalk my already picked out murder victim. By this time I would have found out his habits, usual routs, etc and know the best place to get him preferably at night. 5. Assuming I was still here in NM with all these wide open spaces, I would first knock out my victim with an inhale able chemical (ether, I think), put his unconscious body in the back of my truck, or rented Lincoln (have you seen the trunk space on those?! No wonder the mafia digs them) and drive him out to the desert where I would have a hole in the ground waiting. 6. I would then either shoot him in the head, or bury the sucker alive all the while keeping watch out for those meddling kids and their dog.. Keeping it a secret is not a problem. I am a black hole for secretes, even my own. (short term memory problems I have from partying too much in college, so I dont usually retain secretes for very long anyways) But really, I am a very nice person. :axe:
the thought of someone chasing me in a hazmat suit, walking funny from too small shoes, and wearing rotting flesh as a pair of gloves (over the hazmat, no less!) would probably be enough to scare me to death as it is.
:lol: Thanks, Miss Grace...I think. Garner, hmm interesting idea. Scaring someone to death, then I wouldnt have to worry about the hole, desert and moving the body thing. Just leave the victim where he lays, and the corner proclaims 'Death by Natural Causes' Nice and neat
There are three key components to a successful murder prosecution. 1) Motive 2) Opportunity 3) Alibi. Even if they can link you to the first two, if you've got a strong alibi, you're likely going to get off. However, I'd suggest if you want to get away with murder, you do it in Washington, DC. Prior to the sniper case of a few years back, they'd gone over a decade without solving a single homicide.
In the current climate I would put a rare radioactive isotope only available from Russia into the food of my enemy when he was eating in a public restaurant (restaurant kitchens are easy to get in and out of with anyone noticing because a big one is too busy). His symptoms don't show for days, your scot free and anyone else who gets dead from it is just too bad. So not only does it look like the Russians did it with other sufferers no one can be really sure who was the target victim and narrow it down to you...
