Making Money

Discussion in 'GODS, DESERTS, IMPS, LETTERS AND WAR' started by Hsing, Mar 19, 2007.

  1. Hsing Moderator

    As you can see, the cover for the next DW novel "Making Money" is out.

    Paul Kidby in the related news tidbit:
  2. Ba Lord of the Pies

    It will be nice to see Moist again.
  3. Hsing Moderator

    I don't know why I always thought he'd be a one hit wonder... Maybe I believed too much in his character description.
  4. mercybow New Member

    I have to admit I'm more excited about 'Nation'. Not that I dislike Moist, but this little tidbit
    leaves me giddy.
  5. Mithras-Kosmokrator New Member

    Paper money, I note (no pun intended) - if memory serves this is the first time it has appeared outside the Agatean Empire.
  6. Maljonic Administrator

    I agree, I really felt in tune with his character, which made Going Postal a really good read for me.
  7. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    Going Postal felt like a return to the DW of previous books after the rather worrying seque of MR and the interesting interlude of NW. I had hoped Moist would return, and this should be interesting indeed! After GP, I wondered if Pterry was going to take a look at the bizarre notion of fiat money that we use every day - and, of course, Moist is the perfect character to do it with.
  8. Tephlon Active Member

  9. Roman_K New Member

    Ah, excellent! My first crap paycheck shall be put to good use.
  10. Lucy_Tockley New Member

    Hooray, Moist! I can't wait. I loved his character, and even hough he's described as having no distinguishing characteristics, he's one of the few Pratchett Characters (along with Vetinari and Leonard de Quirm) who I've had a strong mental image of.
  11. jaccairn New Member

    Tesco's have it in now for £10. Now I'm off to read it:biggrin:
  12. Stercus Stercus New Member

    Just proves that pre-ordering is a crap idea. I'm gonna have to wait til the 24th to get my copy when I could have had it early.
  13. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    They are selling it for half price at waterstones and the have some fake money in it.

    Also: I just randomly heard that my boss is late becuase he is stuck on a train with Terry Pratchett. (I don't think Terry Pratchett is the cuase of the lateness) Weird.
  14. Maljonic Administrator

    Right, that's it, where's my driver... "James, take me to Tesco!"
  15. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    Pfft. £9.50 at Waterstones.
  16. Maljonic Administrator

    Ah, but James would have to drop me off down the road from Waterstones, at Tesco he can let me out at the door. :smile:
  17. Maljonic Administrator

    Gah, they didn't have it in Tesco so I ended up buying it in Waterstones anyway. :smile:
  18. Maljonic Administrator

    Oh right, the Waterstones' copies have exclusive Ankh Morpork bank notes inside, cool. :smile:
  19. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    Yes. Now you lisen and all I had to do was burn ever copy of Making Money that Tescos had.
  20. TamyraMcG Active Member

    I spent so much time reading the Member's news pages I'd missed I was no longer logged in bythe end of them, My copy of Making Money is waiting for me at Beagle books, pretty great for me!
  21. Hsing Moderator

  22. Maljonic Administrator

    That's a bit of an understatement, they told me they were having trouble getting lots of new books recently - you [-]burnt[/-] razed the warehouse!
  23. Tephlon Active Member

    I've checked with the 3 bookstores here that usually have
    his books. One doesn't even have it in their system.
    The other 2 told me it would take 3 and 5 weeks respectively...

    I wonder how much shipping is on
  24. mr_scrub New Member

    Faster than that usually.
  25. LondonWolf New Member

    Just got making money from asda for £9. just finished wintersmith and that was great:smile:
  26. mr_scrub New Member

    I got Making Money before it came out in Canada and finished it the day after I got it. It was amazing. I have to make sure never to buy a ring too small for me.

    By the way it was my birthday 2 days ago.
  27. Hsing Moderator

    Well, belated congrats. Mine was yesterday, but no one bought me Making Money. But I know have some cash, and i know what I'll do with it: a graphic tablet, and Making Money. Funny actually... "What will you buy from your birthday cash, darling?" - "Making Money." - "Er... what?"
  28. Katcal I Aten't French !

    Happy beleted you two ;) I will have to wait 'till I get to London to buy the book, but I gather this forbidden planet place may just have them...
  29. TheJackal Member

    Finished Making Money. Loved it! PTerry is getting better and better.

    I hear he's selling 2.5 million books a year now in the UK alone!
  30. caffinated_geek New Member

    Different shops have different gifts with the book

    Waterstones sells copies with 4 Ankh-Morpork bank notes in them.
    Boarders sells them with a Ankh-Morpork cheque book included,
    and if you buy them from the discworld emporium site you get a Ankh-Morpork cheque but it's alot more expensive from the emporium.
  31. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    We've had it for a week, but haven't had a chance to read it yet. That's because we intend to read it together.
  32. Roman_K New Member

    I bought the book last week, in hardcover, for 160NIS (that's about 20£ or 40$). Finished reading it by Saturday, and enjoyed it immensely. This is very much a return to form for Pratchett, and Moist von Lipwig is a character that is great to meet again, with a smile, a glint in the eye, and a... "Trust me." ;-)

    I think we'll be meeting Moist again soon, if the end is any indication.
  33. Orrdos God

    Well, i was dissapointed in it. Felt a bit flat, i felt. Didn't really get going.

    Far, far from his best work. Since Going Postal was so good, I think it made the failure of this book to hit the mark harder to swallow.

    It wasn't a BAD book, it just wasn't anything great. Mediocre. And i've come to expect more from this author.

    Following on from the lackluster Thud, i'm vaguely concerned that it might be on a terminal decline now. Or, perhaps, it needs to move away from Ankh for a while. It would be nice to see a character other than Vimes or Vetinari.

    The Vimes obsession has been bugging me for a while, even the completely unrelated to ankh book, Monstrous Regiment, had to have him shoehorned into it somewhere.

    And, of course, the Igor fetish continues.

    I don't know. The mans clearly got an imagination, i just think he doesn't seem to be using it much these days.
  34. IgorMina New Member

    I liked the Making Money a lot, although I didn't find it as good as going postal. What I like about Moist is the way that he puts himself into tricky situations by making things up on the spot, yet this is also his method of survival. I also liked the interaction between Moist and Vetinari: it's nice to see someone capable of surprising the patrician.

    I agree that Thud! seemed to fall a bit flat though, so I also consider Making Money to be a return to form.

    (Hello, I'm Mina by the way :smile:)
  35. Maljonic Administrator

    Hello Mina.:smile:
  36. mowgli New Member

    Hi Mina, welcome! :smile:

    ... ::gulps:: People didn't like "Thud!"? But, but, but... :sputters: It was so---so---RELEVANT!!! I honestly haven't seen a better fun-house reflection of the world affairs - doesn't matter if it's today's, yesterday's, or centuries ago, - yet, unlike "The Monstrous Regiment", which likewise attempted to hold up a mirror to the world (world's wars, specifically), "Thud!" actually offered some hope that people might someday learn to get along after all!*
    After reading "Thud", I seriously wished it was a required reading for aspiring world leaders, until it hit me (half a second later), that most world leaders aren't quite the learn-from-their-betters type.

    So yeah, "Thud!", don't listen to them, you're one of my most favorite books EVER, and I would'nt trade you for a thousand "Going Postal'"s. (Nothing against "Going Postal", it was a fun read, I just can't remember any of the plot details to save my life :tongue:)

    *Whereas "The Monstrous Regiment" was mostly a misery bath for the soul, and as misanthropic as I've ever seen the Marther get.
  37. IgorMina New Member

    Thank-you for the kind welcome. :)

    I don't know what it was about Thud, but I just couldn't get into it as easily. I wouldn't say I didn't like it, it is Terry Pratchett after all, but I didn't like it as much. Maybe it was something to do with the way that Vimes has changed, I liked his, well Vime-ishness I suppose, but his diplomatic position seems to supress this. In Thud! he just seemed angry to me... (although I do recognise that this was part of the plot) :D
    It was relevant, it just seemed a little 2-dimensional to me.

    But I loved Monsterous Regiment! I thought it was really well done as a critique of feminism as well as of war in general. (Each woman is isolated and unaware of the others, when they could be working together to be there in their own right) I liked the freshness of the new characters as well.
    *strokes cover of "Monsterous Regiment" protectively* ;) :tongue:
  38. Katcal I Aten't French !

    I think MR is one of those love it or hate it books, it happens...

    Mina, why don't you go and introduce yourself in the Introductions Thread so we get to know a bit more about you :wink: there are some ritual questions in there that should help... And you can find out more about us if you're prepared to read the 500 pages of stuff :biggrin:
  39. Roman_K New Member

    Merely 500? ;-)
  40. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    I wasn't a fan of 'Thud.' I think it's message was rather obvious. "Hey look- different races CAN get on" It was to centered on the 'message' rather than the plot. I didn't feel that Vimes was trying to Solve a Crime (which is what watch books should be all about) and it didn't feel like it had a Villian at all.

    I enjoyed making money, but I preferred going postal.
  41. Ba Lord of the Pies

    It was nice seeing Slippery Jim de Gri-er, Moist von Lipwig again. The character is a good pastiche/parody of the ol' Rat. It wasn't quite as good as Going Postal, agreed, but it was better than Thud. Hopefully, Raising Taxes will be better.
  42. IgorMina New Member

    That's it! What I like about the watch books is Vimes Solving Crimes in his own particularily Vimes-ish way. That explains why I didn't like Thud! so much!
    That had been bugging me for ages... Thank-you Rincewind! :D
  43. mowgli New Member

    I... found... a... MISTAKE!!!! (I feel like Mr.Hammersmith!)

    ::spoiler alert::

    In Making Money, the golems have their own "ancient language". However, back in Feet of Clay, when Vimes discovers a meeting room whose walls are covered in golem writing, the golems apparently "spoke" to each other in understandable Morporkian. (And about something as secret as creating a liberator king, too!)

    ::waits for someone to attribute it to a seam in the History Monks' patching up of space/time::
  44. Roman_K New Member

    If memory serves, it was not a golem lauguage but rather the language of the people who made them. Newer golems, made by other people later on, would have no way of knowing it.

    Thus, the golems having a debate in Feet of Clay would be forced to use a common language for their debate - Morporkian.
  45. redneck New Member

    My favorite thing about Thud is that it continues a question that is asked several times during other watch books, "Who watches the watchman?"
  46. Hsing Moderator

    Although it is answered in a kind of vague way, isn't it?

    I am at chapter three right now - Making Money, that is- and maybe it's just because I am awfully tired, but I find it kind of hard to get into. The setting is being decribed sooo meticulously... isn't it? Well, I'll see wether it picks up. :)
  47. redneck New Member

    Hsing, I think the answer has to be vague, because the buck has to stop somewhere. The one who watches the watchman is himself. It's the same question that is applied to kings and other supreme rulers. Eventually someone has to have the final say. I like the way Pratchett wraps it up. There again, I'm pretty easily pacified, so it may be just me.
  48. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    I think way I am less interested in the Watch is becuase it's got to Big to Powerful. It works to well now. There is no challenge. We know how watches the watch, that has been answered books ago- they watch each other.

    On a invidual level, I like Vimes when I first met him becuase he was an underdog, strugging to do what is right againts those in power and, more importantly agianst, himself.

    But now he *is* 'those in power.' From Nightwatch we know he has mastered himself. I think the intereaction between Him and Vetinarai- while a natural progression- has lost it's spark becuase they both know how to work with each other now.

    That's why i think the Vimes character has lost he's spark compared to that of Granny. Vimes and Granny both have a similar character structure- they are afriad of what they might do and are good becuase of it.

    With Vimes, He's overcome himself. While with Granny you feel she is still fighting. The older and more powerful she becomes the more dangerous she is.

    For the last few Granny books, you don't know what is going to happen. I think it's becuase we are aware of her mortality. In Carpe Juluum I felt she could of been killed off. She was at risk.
  49. Hsing Moderator

    That's true. I think PTerry has fulfilled almost every wish anyone -author or reader- could have had for that character.
  50. Pixel New Member

    Thank you, Ba - you have given me the nudge that lets me know who Moist reminds me of (or should that be "of whom Moist reminds me?" Grace will probably tell me).

    So Stainless Steel has been upgraded to Golden Suit - long live the confirmed villain - as a veteran pantomime actor, I can confirm that villains are much more fun to play than heroes (Oh, and if it's a traditional pantomime, the villain does not have to wear fishnet tights!).

    Just to add - one of my favourite characters is back - Adora Belle Dearhart - I am one of those odd people who having given up smoking many years ago (about 18 years) for personal reasons (in this case, a woman who wouldn't sleep with me unless I gave up) but still believe in the right of others to smoke - I just love a character who can ignore all the "Thank you for not smoking", "For your health and comfort you will not smoke" signs and a ring of ashtrays being put round her - if this was real life I would probably challenge Moist to a duel for her hand in marriage - who wants a weak-minded woman?
  51. roisindubh211 New Member

    Nah, Moist has nothing on Slippery Jim. Nowhere near as exciting a character- the best thing about him is Adora Belle Dearhart (she is made of awesome).
  52. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    I like Moist much better than Adora Belle. She's too 2D for my taste. Moist is subtle, which I like.
  53. Hsing Moderator

    Ditto. To me, it never quite... transported what he (Moist) likes in her. Even less so in "Making Money". I have a vague feeling that there has been something attempted in that character, but it didn't quite work out. She's one of those female characters that could have done with a few softer spots - all the male characters get them too, after all, and it makes them more three dimensional.
  54. Jambosticus New Member

    anybody have an idea of when the paperback is due out?
  55. redneck New Member

    I would assume sometime around June of this year.
  56. Miellyn New Member

    Adora Belle and Moist

    I just love Moist. Because he is addicted to danger, and realises it. That is also why he loves Adora Belle. She is danger personified. I really don't think she has a soft spot anywhere, not even for Moist himself.
    I also love the way Vetinary makes use of Moists addiction by putting him somewhere that makes him seek the danger again. Moist hates it, but can't live without it.
    And for me Vetinary's character has grown in both going postal and making money. He really enjoys using Moist as leverage for his plans, but he has no idea where Moists addiction will take him next. He looks on with admiration, I think.

    I am really waiting for Vetinary to be cast well (no suggestions from me) and in a movie. I'll probably fall in love.:)

  57. Sir_Vaims New Member

    I think that Making money is part of the undergoing plot which is represented by the idea that Vetinari has about making huge renovations in the city using the ''Device'' found in THUD. In fact Vetinari needs stable and running economy and that is the reason why he appointed Moist as chairman of the bank- to revive the financial situation in the city.
    As to the funny part- it was outstanding idea to introduce the idea of the ''funny games'' that people play in the bedroom which resulted in Mr. Fusspot obtaining his new toy
  58. Blaydon New Member


    I think Moist is perhaps the best character after Vimes he is a laugh a minute as you never know which of his appendages he is going to try to fit in his mouth next.
    As to Vimes several people have given his character development some stick. I believe he is still the same old vimes, he does not like his position as a noble,ambasador or leader but he is prepared to put up with it for the love of his wife and child. You can however still detect the old sarcasm and love of the simple things which he has to supress and this is what makes him so angry inside and a dangerous man to cross you get the impression that if he could take his family with him he would be back in paper thin soles in the rain walking a beat in a flash.
  59. Tamar New Member

    I agree that Vetinari is working on a very long-term plan, using Moist's addiction to danger. I believe he has done - or has had someone do - some things behind the scenes that we weren't told about. Did anyone else wonder who wound up Mr. Fusspot's favorite toy so that it would still be running in the courtroom scene? It had been running for days, and ought to have run down by then. On the other hand, it also had been locked up for at least a year and was running the moment it fell out of the closet, so maybe it runs on a Device and never stops. :shock:

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